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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 344 for the 23rd of may

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2015 Richard Saunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia for those keen

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listeners you may have noticed last week

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I said it was episode number 333 that

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was incorrect apologies if you're very

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confused now and you deleted episodes

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and downloaded things and thought

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thursday was saturday it was actually

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episode number 343 oh well coming up on

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this week's show I catch up with a dear

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old friend of mine in the podcasting and

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skeptical realm Derek Colin do know from

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the skeptic ality podcast who just like

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the skeptics guide to the universe just

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celebrated 10 years of podcasting Wow 10

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years of podcasting the skeptic zone is

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racking up bum seven I think this year

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seven or eight something like that so

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hats off to Derek Colin dunno and swoop

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Ian skeptic ality hats off to the

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skeptics guide to the universe Derek's

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going to be chatting to us about what

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it's like to carry on a podcast for 10

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years and some of his insights about the

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craziness of drag and gone in atlanta

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georgia the big pop culture festival

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where of course there is a very strong

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skeptical presence each year following

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that it's a week in science from the

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Royal Institution of Australia in the

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beautiful city of Adelaide where you can

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get the most incredible chicken dish

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peppercorn chicken wow that tastes good

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apparently could remember the name of

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that restaurant listeners might know

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peppercorn chicken in Adelaide haha what

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was I saying oh yes the Royal

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Institution of Australia with a weakened

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science of course and then it's the raw

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skeptic report with our dear friend

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Heidi Robinson from the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters Heidi is going to

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be asking the big question should health

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care workers be vaccinated and she has a

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case study to report I do like Heidi's

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reports I think they're very well

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written and I like a presentation style

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very easy to listen to well done Heidi

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looking forward to hearing your report

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and to round off the show it's Maynard

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spooky action may not speaks with Nick

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Hudson the author of the modern

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Australian usage a practical guide for

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writers and editors is this a skeptical

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topic not really it's straying a bit

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here folks I'm drawing a bit of a

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interesting it's so interesting it's all

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about what concerns us well especially

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on the skeptic zone is getting the

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message across how to best use language

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is our language changing is this a good

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thing or is this a bad thing is

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discrimination a good word or a bad word

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an interesting discussion an interesting

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interview may not has to round off the

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show I can I can be pretty sure you'll

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find this one worth listening to well

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that's enough for me at the moment I got

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to run downstairs go to the kitchen and

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get some hmm you know what on facebook

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for the facebook entry for this episode

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of the skeptics own Facebook page please

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tell me what you would like me to run

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down the kitchen and to have next week

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me the most so if you haven't seen our

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Facebook page just i'll look for the

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skeptic zone on facebook skeptics own

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podcast or go to skeptics own TV and

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click the facebook link and you can see

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our page and if you have a comment to

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make about the show that's the place to

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make it however today I will run down

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and get some some lovely steamed rice

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with a little bit of satay sauce yeah

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why not well I'm enjoying that I hope

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joining me now all the way from Atlanta

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Atlanta Georgia I'd like to go and visit

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atlanta I haven't done that for a while

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it's derek Colin dunno hello Derek yeah

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so you're coming this year oh I wish I

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could I'd to dragoncon you mean which

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way I hear that's going to be in

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indescribable you have to go and see

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this bizarre crazy event and the number

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of people nor the craziness yeah retro

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doubles and flattery here and that's I I

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listeners one to find out more about

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Dragon Con I guess yet they could Google

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Dragon Con and skeptics own because we

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report it from the dragon confident

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those three actually you did your very

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first episode recording a skeptic zone

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at rank on we did indeed 2008 the first

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what we're talking about this is a giant

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sort of fantasy science fiction pop

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culture festival stars from all around

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me of course and for you what makes

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dragoncon so special is the skeptical

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outreach taking place there how did that

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all get started Derek well that started

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because I was really good friends with

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the guy in charge of the science track

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we'll see let me back up a little bit

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how it started about 29 years ago but

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convention so they have everything from

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for everybody and now it's taking over 5

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which is crazy and then they moved all

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world so there we have two floors of

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year so yeah it keeps growing my step my

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think sieve and I think it was it was a

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already established at least a year

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then uh so we keep growing now we've

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since last you were there Richard I

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time that you've been there and so yeah

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we get a bunch of big names and we do

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the big skeptic thing my stuff is all

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skeptic stuff that I run but then right

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the hallway is a science and then right

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up upstairs from that is space and they

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there's everything like last year i

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ending about thirty or forty seven

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for those years it was huge then and and

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what what what an amazing invent it is

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skeptic track well the skeptic track is

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still go here I mean I was there with

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verse of a dragon con so it's it's a

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credit to your Derek that you're such an

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important part of that a huge annual

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event and listeners if you want to blow

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your mind I can recommend at least one

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visit to dragoncon it's sort of like Las

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need to see once in your life which is a

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meeting because that's where i normally

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amazing meeting in las vegas yeah I'm

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should be running a panel that you'll be

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involved with it at amateur excellent oh

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a tad damn we usually have time to have

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a chat and catch up which is really

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really a always a pleasure to see you in

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that sort of been lost in the mists of

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time it was amazing meeting um it was I

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think was 2006 those amazing meeting

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meeting five you might be right but yeah

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you're younger than me you've probably

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got a better memory well i am the end up

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in the part of my brain that creates

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memories is gone yeah so I I have to do

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completely shot well let's talk about

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that for a moment because I think even

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the skeptic zone over the care crap the

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tag yes you see your memory is better

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than mine um we were listening to two

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skeptically at the time and one day we

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to download the show and there was a

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very short message from swoopy um this

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is Hopi and this is one of the things

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that I really didn't want to do but I

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unfortunately have to just to let people

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know that skeptic ality isn't really

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going anywhere but we are going to be on

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a little bit of a hiatus for a little

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while Derek unfortunately he is in the

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hospital at this time he complained of a

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headache during dinner and then got

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physically sick and very quickly

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deteriorated but thankfully by that time

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he was nearly to the hospital where he

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was diagnosed with a VMA which loosely

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translated although not correct is

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somewhat like a brain aneurysm where he

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was bleeding into his brain he is in a

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coma right now but it is drug-induced as

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he is sedated and he is on a ventilator

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and he is in intensive care a short

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message from swoopy and it really

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surprised as for the benefit our

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listeners briefly Derek you had a quite

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a life-changing event some years ago

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can't believe or not and my I had an

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aneurysm in my brain which I didn't know

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about that uh exploded shortly after

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drying count of two thousand five it was

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just a genetic thing my genetic father

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same exact part of his brain and his

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happened when he was one year older than

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me I happened to me when I was when I

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happened to be lucky enough to get

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treatment at Shepherd Center which is a

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world-renowned stroke and brain injury

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center so they got my voice back because

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I could but it was really bad and then

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my walking I got back pretty quick

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because I wouldn't deal with that I

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could walk but unless I told you you

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probably wouldn't notice that I have

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this weird gate to me because i have to

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like keep my balance i have to think

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about all the time but I that you know

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I'm so alive that's matters yeah I guess

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so it was a big shock to a big shock to

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everybody and we thought well you know

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thought the worst of feared the worst

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what would happen next but you came back

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and then that's a credit to you and

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let's talk about the fact that the

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skeptic ality now has a reached its

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10-year milestone wow it's it's it's

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what's the word we can look out we can

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steal James Randy's word it's amazing

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yeah it's been ten years that's weird my

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weedy recorded our live show 10th

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anniversary show actually in front of an

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audience here in downtown Atlanta at a

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place called manuals it's funny because

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when the fun part is is that the room I

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was doing my live show in two weeks

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before that President Obama happened be

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in Atlanta and that's where he did a

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presentation so I was like I don't think

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I filled the room quite as much as he

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did but we were pretty crowded but yeah

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so did its kind like a party / reply

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recording and it was a good time and it

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was almost 10 years to the day actually

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was just before that was actually 10

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years but you know we were pretty much

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almost to the day when we did the

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recording so was kind of fun and it's

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it's is how to describe to people I

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guess you and I sort of in the same boat

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enough friends at the skeptics guide to

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the universe who also just celebrated

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their ten years of yeah we me and me and

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Steve novela recorded an interview right

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before our death of every show for

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typicality can't the air dry before my

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10th anniversary show and we talked

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about this and we figured it out that

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skeptics guide came out about a week and

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a half after a skeptic ality and we

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didn't know about each other well it

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happened to come out that way well I

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must look into this one day I as just

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off the top of my head and as a guess I

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would probably say that the skeptic

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ality then followed by the skeptics

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guide to the universe then possibly

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followed by this show the skeptic so

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might be the three oldest skeptical

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podcasts I am just guessing now I'm

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think you might be right because I think

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because I think you're after I found

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about the skeptics of God universe they

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uh then I look for others and I think

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the only one that was out at that time

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was the tank well that's that's true

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that you're absolutely right because the

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tank was gee it's around about the same

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time but i guess the tank was a video

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show yeah it was a you know I tried to

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get it out once a week or it was very

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difficult being a video show but that

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killed me because it was I've been

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putting together an audio podcast every

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week folks is it's quite a task but

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imagine putting out regularly a video

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show with interviews and crosses and all

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that sort of thing in reports it was fun

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for a little while but it was ridiculous

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and I must say the main reason i

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switched to being back to being a audio

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was I thought well people are which

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people doing right now listening to us

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people are driving their cars there on

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the train going to work their jogging

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it's a lot easier for these people to

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listen to a show than to and to see it

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but yeah I guess we've been we've been

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working beavering away for a long time

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now Derek yeah well I see I always

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thought about the same thing is that

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yeah you could do some video shows the

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thing is that most of the content thats

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related to what we talked about it

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doesn't really have much of an idio

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component and then to add the video to

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it you might have to pay me because

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editing video is completely different

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than editing audio yes and also like you

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said people can listen to this in their

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car and I know a lot of people do

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because I get emails all the time from

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people who say

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I wasn't do it in the car with my kid on

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the way to school or whatever so yeah

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and now they just announced that

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podcasts are now in Spotify and I know

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that Skippy County is one of the first

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ones that put in there so now if you

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have spotify and you does the music

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discovery it will discover podcast too

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so well that's the whole thing we want

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to make it easy for people to understand

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what we're trying to say and if it's

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easier for people to pop in a pair of

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headphones or turn on the the car system

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listen to us in the car well I think

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that's that's the way to go it and of

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course one of the people i do remember

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meeting many years ago and we were all

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sort of getting underway and things were

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sort of bubbling along with swoopy the

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wonderful swoopy your your co-host who

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was just a delight to meet in person

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yeah she actually came to the live

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recording at our 10th anniversary show

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so it was kind of nice to have her we

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did that fool shell with her which is

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hard for to do now because you know

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she's a medical school and she's also a

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double major so not only medical school

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but two different metal of degrees she's

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going to school for at the same time and

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she's a full she goes to work full time

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so school full time and um it worked

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full time she has like no time at all at

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all so yeah I'm willin pleased that she

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was she was part of it I mean that was

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the the package from in the very

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beginning and you've got that wonderful

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cartoon of you two dressed like secret

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agents too yeah we actually the 10th

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anniversary show recording we actually

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unveiled our new logo which we use that

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logo week that we had from the beginning

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all the way until our 10th anniversary

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show so we finally changed our logo well

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it's something you have to do every 10

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years yeah yeah after 10 day 10 years

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ago you know changed up a little bit

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yeah I guess famously you a mentioned

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skeptical that he was mentioned by Apple

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yeah about three days before my aneurysm

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blue Steve Jobs had a picture of me and

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sweetly behind him when they announced

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podcasting because it

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been in itunes for about three or four

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weeks or maybe a month or two before the

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actual key know where he talked about it

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and then when he had when he talked

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about the reporting of how popular the

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podcasting part of itunes has been he

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actually had the picture of us behind

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him because kept ducati was the number

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one podcast overall 40 two or three

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months at the beginning so Wow so like

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that there's jobs are talking about it

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and there's a picture of us behind him

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and then people so maybe your brain

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exploded because d.jives talked about

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you maybe it did in fact I remember

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after it's all sort of coming to get its

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gelling in my mind now because I

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remember after he during swoopy give

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that announcement on skeptic ality that

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and she was quite emotional about it the

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very next episode of the tank I think it

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was the tank I was doing at the time we

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we mentioned that and say so yes I it's

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it's interesting after all these years I

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can sort of Titan tie things in well

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it's suffice it to say we both been

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doing this for far too long Gary I've

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been doing stuff audio related since i

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was in college so i actually was a DJ on

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a alt rock station in las vegas for a

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while so I've been behind a microphone

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since I was you know in my early

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twenties so I after 20 years so sunny 20

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years or so I don't know what I'm gonna

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stop I think that's the right attitude

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yeah we haven't been doing this for too

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long we haven't been doing it long

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enough Derek Colin dunno congratulations

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on 10 wonderful years of skeptic ality

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on onwards to the future and if there

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are some people out there who for some

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strange reason haven't heard skeptic

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ality where's the best place they can

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find out www at skeptic aldi dicom or

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where the official show of skeptic

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magazine Swift go to skeptic calm and go

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to their podcast section or right there

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you're right there Derek I'm glad you're

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right there I hope you're going to be

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right there for many years to come again

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once more hearty congratulations and I

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look forward to seeing you in person in

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oh not very very many weeks at the

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easy meeting I'm very cool hope

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hopefully we'll have time to do

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something other than talk about you know

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four minutes again but let's let's find

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some more time and we can oh I don't

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know I could even interview you again

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who knows yeah probably holy season

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you the science you need to know we've

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all had to clear our ears wipe our eyes

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and blow our noses so why do our faces

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sometimes feel like a conveyor belt of

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gunk and goo well it's thanks to cerumen

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count and NICUs that's earwax I sleep

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let's kick off with AO acts which isn't

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actually wax at all the glue / yellow

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secretion called cerumen catches dust

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and debris before it can reach the

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eardrum protects the skin and lubricate

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the ear thanks to earwax you don't

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actually have to clean out your ears as

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you wiggle your jaw you help move your

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ear wax from inside to out cleaning as

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it goes until it just falls out now

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imagine if your tears evaporated right

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out of your eyes not only would that be

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uncomfortable but you wouldn't even be

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able to see but you have I sleep to

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think that tears stay where they're

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supposed to be gound is a mixture of

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dust skin cells mucus and oil it's

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produced constantly but at night it

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accumulates and drives it removes dust

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helps your eyes still shut when you

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close them and stops your tears from

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falling out or evaporating and that

539
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brings us to snot also known as mucus

540
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it's a watery secretion high in proteins

541
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and protective enzymes mucus lubricates

542
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your nostrils and filters air as you

543
00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:57,660
breathe in it catches dust particles and

544
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microorganisms before they can enter the

545
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body to get rid of the nasty stuff the

546
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mucus is caught tiny little hairlike

547
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,910
growths called cilia rock back and forth

548
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:08,400
to push the mucus from the nostrils down

549
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the back of the throat once you swallow

550
00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:12,270
it the mucus is reabsorbed the dust

551
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:14,100
passes through your system and any

552
00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:16,170
bacteria is killed by your stomach acid

553
00:25:19,940 --> 00:25:18,150
and of course sometimes you get rid of

554
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mucus by blowing it straight out of your

555
00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:22,110
nose well it's about that time grab your

556
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tissues it's for fast facts about face

557
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,500
gunk snot can turn bright green or

558
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:30,240
yellow when your immune system has been

559
00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:32,220
fighting an infection there are two

560
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:34,260
genetically determined types of earwax

561
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dry and wet and scientists can use them

562
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to study human migration and evolution

563
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the anatomical feature where tears

564
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:43,230
collect is called the lacrimal punctum

565
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and the average person produces about

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one liter of snot every single day

567
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that's it for this week in science for

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more information about face gunk go to

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the Arias website RI aus org a you

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follow us on twitter at our iOS and like

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00:26:04,270 --> 00:26:03,810
us on facebook i'm casey harrigan and

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we'll catch

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next week it's the raw skeptic report

574
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with Heidi Robertson hi everyone it's

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blowing a gale outside at the moment so

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that's what you may be hearing this week

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in the background on Tuesday this week

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dr. Jeanette young Queensland chief

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health officer with dr. Brad McCall of

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the Public Health Unit held a media

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conference to announce that a

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brisbane-based ambulance paramedic had

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been diagnosed with measles at the time

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of writing this report the paramedic is

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said to be in a serious but stable

586
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condition a couple of fast facts about

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measles from our website WWE nrvs info

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as well as the immunized health gov au

589
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:20,780
website our website was written by a dr.

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Rachel heap an intensivist and

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fact-checked by Professor boy from the

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National Center for immunization

593
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research and surveillance quote measles

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is one of the most contagious diseases

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known amongst susceptible people nine

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out of 10 exposed to measles will catch

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it susceptible people are either

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unamused or have never had the disease

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the measles virus is capable of

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surviving for two hours outside the body

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in the air or on hard surfaces after an

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infected person has coughed or sneezed

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it can affect people of any age and

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prior to the development of an effective

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vaccine it caused an estimated 2.6

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million deaths a year in 2011 there were

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an estimated 158,000 measles deaths

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globally

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or about 430 deaths every day and most

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of these deaths occurred in children

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under the age of five years even in

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developed countries with excellent

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health care one-quarter to one-third of

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people who catch it need to be looked

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after in hospital and one to two out of

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every 1,000 will die the measles vaccine

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with two doses is about ninety nine

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percent effective the first vaccine is

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given at one year of age breastfeeding

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offers some protection but even then

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babies are vulnerable to catching the

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disease until they are old enough to be

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vaccinated there are also the

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after-effects of measles to consider

625
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morbidity rates and of course the

626
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dreadful sspe a fatal neurodegenerative

627
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disease which can turn up years after

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measles infection it's worth repeating

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here when we know of these facts how

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utterly irresponsible stephanie

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messengers book Melody's marvelous

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00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:24,680
measles is if you recall Joe alabaster's

633
00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:28,330
book review on it in episode number 330

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Messenger is an Australian

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anti-vaccination advocate who wrote this

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book for children I repeat it is aimed

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at children promoting measles as a

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marvellous disease to contract all the

639
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more horrible when the books titles so

640
00:29:52,030 --> 00:29:48,680
closely reflects Roald Dahl's book

641
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:52,040
George's marvelous medicine and the fact

642
00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:55,010
that Roald Dahl's daughter died of

643
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measles classy back to the measles case

644
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:02,600
in Brisbane Queensland Health has not

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commented on the vaccination status of

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the ambulance officer so it's important

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that we not assume anything perhaps he

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was vaccinated and he did not mount an

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00:30:16,540 --> 00:30:14,000
immune response perhaps his immunity

650
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:16,550
waned over time perhaps he was not

651
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:19,910
vaccinated we don't know what we do know

652
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:21,890
is that whilst not knowing he was

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00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:24,110
infected the paramedic was still on

654
00:30:28,570 --> 00:30:26,420
active duties and therefore treating and

655
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transporting dozens of sick and injured

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people 24 identified hospitals

657
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brisbane in addition of course he

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attended many other public locations as

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well as several businesses on Moreton

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Island with the very young elderly and

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other susceptible people such as cancer

662
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patients who may have less than optimal

663
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immune function this is not an

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insignificant public health risk given

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just how contagious this disease is

666
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Cameron deck the Queensland Health

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Minister has said that the health

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department is now going to look at

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getting all ambulance officers

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vaccinated and is also going to look at

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extending this to other health care

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00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:11,899
workers on social media many have

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expressed surprise that this is not

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00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:16,309
already the case why are some of our

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00:31:22,539 --> 00:31:19,340
health care workers not required to have

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00:31:26,019 --> 00:31:22,549
vaccines such as pertussis influenza

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00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:26,029
measles and the like in many health care

678
00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:28,610
professions it is simply strongly

679
00:31:34,029 --> 00:31:32,600
advised but not mandatory hepatitis B

680
00:31:35,889 --> 00:31:34,039
seems to be the only one that is

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00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,899
enforced although there are some

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00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:37,760
organizations such as the New South

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00:31:42,190 --> 00:31:40,159
Wales ambulance service who require

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00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:42,200
employees to be vaccinated for hepatitis

685
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:46,850
B varicella MMR diphtheria pertussis and

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00:31:51,879 --> 00:31:50,210
tetanus it is not mandatory for them to

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00:31:53,860 --> 00:31:51,889
have boosters for pertussis and

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00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:53,870
influenza although again it is strongly

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00:32:01,180 --> 00:31:58,130
advised apart from the issue of health

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00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:01,190
care workers being unamused or under

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00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:03,590
immunized there is also the issue of

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00:32:07,870 --> 00:32:06,110
child care workers in Australia who are

693
00:32:11,019 --> 00:32:07,880
not required to have vaccinations in

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order to look after children so we have

695
00:32:17,019 --> 00:32:14,360
the situation where the no jab no play

696
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,029
legislation has come in which requires

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parents to produce evidence of their

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00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:21,049
child's vaccination status on enrollment

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00:32:28,659 --> 00:32:23,950
into a child care or preschool facility

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00:32:31,330 --> 00:32:28,669
we have the newly proposed no jab nope a

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00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:31,340
policy which will require children in

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child care to be vaccinated and their

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parents not to be able to claim

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00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:37,700
religious and philosophical exemptions

705
00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:39,950
if they wish to receive certain

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00:32:44,419 --> 00:32:42,260
government benefits we have these

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00:32:46,940 --> 00:32:44,429
initiatives to try to raise vaccinate

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00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:46,950
gen raits but we don't require the

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00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:49,320
people looking after our children to be

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00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:53,129
vaccinated legislation has changed

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00:32:57,739 --> 00:32:54,779
regarding vaccination following the

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00:33:00,289 --> 00:32:57,749
deaths of both Dana McCaffrey and Riley

713
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:00,299
Hughes both from whooping cough both

714
00:33:06,669 --> 00:33:04,710
passing away at 32 days now a health

715
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:06,679
care worker who may have unwittingly

716
00:33:11,539 --> 00:33:09,350
infected dozens of people with measles

717
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:11,549
prompts are called to have all health

718
00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:14,669
workers in Queensland vaccinated I have

719
00:33:20,659 --> 00:33:16,350
a few questions that listeners may be

720
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:20,669
able to comment on why can we not take a

721
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,590
more proactive rather than reactive

722
00:33:27,409 --> 00:33:25,200
approach and ask that all health care

723
00:33:31,129 --> 00:33:27,419
workers across Australia be vaccinated

724
00:33:32,419 --> 00:33:31,139
is it too much to ask for anyone who has

725
00:33:35,299 --> 00:33:32,429
to apply for a working with children

726
00:33:38,659 --> 00:33:35,309
check to also be up to date with their

727
00:33:41,299 --> 00:33:38,669
vaccinations would there be potentially

728
00:33:44,899 --> 00:33:41,309
a case for litigation in an instance

729
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,909
such as this hypothetical example let's

730
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:47,039
say mrs. Jones works in a childcare

731
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:49,590
center looking after babies ranging from

732
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:52,169
six weeks of age to children of five

733
00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:55,110
years of age let's also say that mrs.

734
00:34:01,100 --> 00:33:57,299
Jones has always been a conscientious

735
00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:01,110
objector as were her parents this means

736
00:34:05,619 --> 00:34:02,789
that mrs. Jones has never been

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00:34:08,659 --> 00:34:05,629
vaccinated for anything in her life

738
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,669
master Smith aged eight weeks is

739
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:11,280
delivered into mrs. Jones care three

740
00:34:16,549 --> 00:34:14,339
days a week master Smith's mum and dad

741
00:34:19,220 --> 00:34:16,559
have just had him vaccinated according

742
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:19,230
to the schedule for diphtheria tetanus

743
00:34:27,139 --> 00:34:23,359
pertussis polio [\h__\h] hepatitis B

744
00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:27,149
pneumococcal disease and rotavirus they

745
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:29,190
are not only proponents of vaccination

746
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:31,619
but need to have him vaccinated in order

747
00:34:37,099 --> 00:34:34,200
to receive certain child care benefits

748
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:37,109
from the government mrs. Jones comes to

749
00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:40,139
work infectious with whooping cough it

750
00:34:46,059 --> 00:34:42,750
presents as an irritating cough which he

751
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:46,069
has not yet had checked by a doctor

752
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:48,690
because no vaccine is a hundred percent

753
00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:52,470
effective and he has had only one dose

754
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:55,409
of the pertussis vaccine Mastersmith

755
00:34:59,840 --> 00:34:57,570
contracts whooping cough

756
00:35:02,510 --> 00:34:59,850
because he is so young he becomes very

757
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:02,520
sick with it and has to be admitted to a

758
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:05,430
pediatric intensive care unit where he

759
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:08,370
spends the next couple of months he

760
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:10,770
survives with permanent brain damage and

761
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:14,460
scarring of the lungs so can and should

762
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:18,180
mrs. Jones be sued in order to be sued

763
00:35:23,330 --> 00:35:20,010
in such a situation there needs to be

764
00:35:26,060 --> 00:35:23,340
three things present number one the

765
00:35:27,980 --> 00:35:26,070
person being sued needs to have a legal

766
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:27,990
duty of care to the injured or ill

767
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,450
person in this case being a childcare

768
00:35:35,090 --> 00:35:32,400
worker this legal duty of care is

769
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,100
present number two there has to be a

770
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:37,440
breach of this legal duty of care in

771
00:35:42,860 --> 00:35:40,410
this case can it be argued that mrs.

772
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:42,870
Jones has breached her duty of care by a

773
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,050
not being vaccinated and be going to

774
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:49,200
work with a persistent cough and three

775
00:35:54,590 --> 00:35:51,450
there has to have been harm done as a

776
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:54,600
direct result of the breach of duty of

777
00:36:01,610 --> 00:35:57,300
care master Smith has clearly been

778
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:01,620
harmed by whooping cough clearly I'm not

779
00:36:06,020 --> 00:36:03,810
in the law profession and there are no

780
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:06,030
doubt many variables and intricacies

781
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,060
here I have however asked the professor

782
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:11,280
of law this question who has a

783
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:13,020
particular interest in vaccination

784
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,330
issues she has written a very

785
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:17,040
interesting article on some of the

786
00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:19,970
issues surrounding this it is called

787
00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:22,470
compensating the victims of failure to

788
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:25,470
vaccinate what are the options and I

789
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:27,000
will link to the article in the show

790
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:32,430
notes on the website skeptics own TV to

791
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:34,950
be clear I'm not assuming anything about

792
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:37,440
this particular Brisbane paramedic we

793
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:39,660
certainly should not condemn anyone when

794
00:36:44,780 --> 00:36:42,800
we are not aware of the full facts

795
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,790
bringing in legislation to make

796
00:36:49,070 --> 00:36:46,980
vaccination mandatory for health care

797
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:49,080
workers and childcare workers would

798
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:51,060
certainly be an expensive undertaking

799
00:36:57,350 --> 00:36:55,520
for both employers and individuals a

800
00:36:59,570 --> 00:36:57,360
cost-benefit analysis would be

801
00:37:01,520 --> 00:36:59,580
interesting to see taking into

802
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:01,530
consideration time off work due to

803
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:04,290
vaccine preventable disease the cost to

804
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:05,730
the health care system in treating

805
00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:09,690
vaccine-preventable disease and so on in

806
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:11,430
the meantime

807
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:12,990
thoughts are with this paramedic who is

808
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,660
suffering in hospital as well as those

809
00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:18,480
having been potentially exposed and are

810
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:20,339
waiting for the two-week incubation

811
00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:22,680
period to be up to see if they have

812
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:26,430
contracted the disease for more

813
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,050
information on vaccines and

814
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:30,960
vaccine-preventable diseases go to our

815
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:38,040
website w WN rvs info you can also find

816
00:37:43,309 --> 00:37:39,960
us than Northern Rivers vaccination

817
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:43,319
supporters on facebook and on twitter at

818
00:38:06,099 --> 00:37:47,880
the handle NR vax supporters that's the

819
00:38:12,109 --> 00:38:10,160
wollongong skeptics in the pub yes

820
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:12,119
Wollongong is a real place in here for

821
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:15,260
our international listeners Wollongong

822
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:18,569
say it with me wollongong yeah it's a

823
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:20,460
nice place it's just south of Sydney and

824
00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:23,730
they have a skeptics in the pub at dicey

825
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,270
rileys 333 crown street one ball it's

826
00:38:32,059 --> 00:38:29,280
always the last tuesday of every month

827
00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:32,069
and if you're in the wollongong area

828
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:33,990
well the best thing to do would we go to

829
00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:36,690
meet up calm and just look for will Gong

830
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:51,070
here's my not spooky action at the

831
00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:56,290
ladies and gentlemen on the phone I have

832
00:39:01,480 --> 00:38:58,850
the author of the modern Australian

833
00:39:04,180 --> 00:39:01,490
usage a practical guide for writers and

834
00:39:05,590 --> 00:39:04,190
editors Nick Hudson how I Nick I'm fine

835
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,600
thank you what triggered your

836
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:07,760
fascination with the English language is

837
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:09,470
specifically the Australian English

838
00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:12,290
language I guess I was born speaking at

839
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:14,750
UC therefore i'm very interested in it

840
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:19,850
and I at age 25 I moved from Britain to

841
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:23,119
Australia and so I've spent all my adult

842
00:39:30,090 --> 00:39:27,230
life as a book editor editing Australian

843
00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:30,100
texts and so I'm fascinated by

844
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,140
Australian English and I addressed in

845
00:39:37,210 --> 00:39:35,119
the first instance in this book the

846
00:39:40,570 --> 00:39:37,220
problems which Australian Writers may

847
00:39:43,630 --> 00:39:40,580
run into parent parent and purest on

848
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:43,640
page 296 is worth a look both of these

849
00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:45,770
words mean a person who comments on

850
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,350
linguistic niceties which others find

851
00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:50,720
boring the difference is that you are

852
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:54,200
repentant where I am a purist yes yes

853
00:39:57,940 --> 00:39:55,760
that's right do you actually have to

854
00:40:00,010 --> 00:39:57,950
stop yourself from correcting people not

855
00:40:03,730 --> 00:40:00,020
at all that's what parents do you see

856
00:40:06,099 --> 00:40:03,740
I'm a purist I can keep it to myself so

857
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:06,109
what do you like it Scrabble ah not bad

858
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:09,140
actually do you get anyone to actually

859
00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:11,090
play with you or they go or not here not

860
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,550
Nick don't play with me you see scrabble

861
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:15,200
is not really a matter of knowing all

862
00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:17,930
the words it's a matter of strategy in

863
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:19,670
noticing where the crippled better

864
00:40:24,370 --> 00:40:22,730
scores are and making sure that the W is

865
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:24,380
on the triple letter score scored twice

866
00:40:28,450 --> 00:40:26,510
those of us that are playing words for

867
00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:28,460
friends and scrabble what's a great word

868
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,470
to grab in scrabble but not many people

869
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:32,480
think of that's a good one the one that

870
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,650
is played almost every game would be Qi

871
00:40:40,270 --> 00:40:38,000
isn't it and you can actually use that I

872
00:40:42,099 --> 00:40:40,280
did not know that was a word oh yes yes

873
00:40:45,070 --> 00:40:42,109
yes have you not got a list of the

874
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:45,080
scrabble approve two letter words no I

875
00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:47,510
guess I should get one you should get

876
00:40:52,990 --> 00:40:50,990
that that I would be nothing this book

877
00:40:56,380 --> 00:40:53,000
is a practical guide for editors what

878
00:40:59,970 --> 00:40:56,390
kind of people seek to become editors I

879
00:41:02,740 --> 00:40:59,980
don't know in a sense I became one

880
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:02,750
accidentally when i discovered i wasn't

881
00:41:07,930 --> 00:41:04,490
in market floor i'm

882
00:41:10,930 --> 00:41:07,940
being a reporter that one stage I had an

883
00:41:14,830 --> 00:41:10,940
ambition to be the parliamentary report

884
00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:14,840
of a pouch but they're lied and I gotten

885
00:41:20,650 --> 00:41:17,720
offers a job in publishing and grabbed

886
00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:20,660
it then I discovered that I enjoyed it

887
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:22,670
enormously but I've been doing it now

888
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:25,250
for six years best bottle can you

889
00:41:31,870 --> 00:41:27,050
actually write that you couldn't care

890
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:31,880
less I think you can just about it

891
00:41:37,210 --> 00:41:34,250
depends on sentence to me the whole

892
00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:37,220
point about subject the submitting is

893
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:39,560
not just a matter of correcting grammar

894
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:42,770
and spelling sub editing or edit in fact

895
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:45,980
is a matter of making sure that the

896
00:41:51,790 --> 00:41:48,650
reader gets the message that the author

897
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:51,800
had intended now the author thinks that

898
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:53,570
what they've written is perfectly

899
00:41:59,620 --> 00:41:57,200
perfectly clear unambiguous and the

900
00:42:01,570 --> 00:41:59,630
reader has a slightly different

901
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:01,580
vocabulary and cents and may

902
00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:04,400
misunderstand it the editor should be

903
00:42:11,590 --> 00:42:07,070
the person who stands between the two

904
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:11,600
and warns the author if the message will

905
00:42:17,590 --> 00:42:14,960
not get them to reader that is a vital

906
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:17,600
vital task but it's one that is best

907
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:21,770
done an editor who has immediate access

908
00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:25,310
to the author otherwise the editor is

909
00:42:29,950 --> 00:42:28,460
liable to change it wrong know that

910
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:29,960
there's something wrong but make a

911
00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:32,720
correction which is also long obviously

912
00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:34,760
one sees various things in newspapers

913
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:37,070
that when objects to this happens

914
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:40,130
particularly in books the long argument

915
00:42:44,859 --> 00:42:42,170
about something and the author has

916
00:42:47,010 --> 00:42:44,869
either left out a stage in the argument

917
00:42:50,140 --> 00:42:47,020
regarding it as self-evident

918
00:42:52,330 --> 00:42:50,150
alternatively labour a point which was

919
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:52,340
obvious and therefore become boring

920
00:42:58,510 --> 00:42:55,369
here's an example which is in a way

921
00:43:02,349 --> 00:42:58,520
right I heard a news broadcast in which

922
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:02,359
the newsreader said sensors had a poll

923
00:43:09,580 --> 00:43:06,770
with his club but as designed and then

924
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:09,590
he stopped from him he said oh no sorry

925
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:13,280
that should be re-signed now those two

926
00:43:17,309 --> 00:43:15,830
words if you leave out pie from there

927
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,319
the same word and they mean

928
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:19,839
diametrically opposite things I would

929
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:21,180
say that the person who wrote that

930
00:43:28,289 --> 00:43:24,609
should have put a hyphen in to show that

931
00:43:30,779 --> 00:43:28,299
what they meant was refined the person

932
00:43:32,939 --> 00:43:30,789
who wrote it thought it was perfectly

933
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:32,949
obvious that it was reassigned and

934
00:43:39,779 --> 00:43:36,430
didn't bother to hyphenate it the editor

935
00:43:43,140 --> 00:43:39,789
would notice that that error could occur

936
00:43:46,859 --> 00:43:43,150
and would have warned the author and put

937
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:46,869
in haifa this leads us to page 401 where

938
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:49,209
you have the entry for tautology with

939
00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:52,690
the great example of i got up at 3am in

940
00:43:59,069 --> 00:43:55,809
the morning yes you hear that all the

941
00:44:00,709 --> 00:43:59,079
time indeed I don't get too upset about

942
00:44:04,189 --> 00:44:00,719
that because it's not causing

943
00:44:07,229 --> 00:44:04,199
misunderstanding it's unnecessary and

944
00:44:09,449 --> 00:44:07,239
people who say we should use as few

945
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:09,459
words as possible will get upset by it

946
00:44:14,180 --> 00:44:11,920
but at least we aren't getting the

947
00:44:17,219 --> 00:44:14,190
message wrong what about the word

948
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:17,229
discriminate now it has an evil content

949
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:20,049
but if i go to my wardrobe and I choose

950
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,390
if I just discriminate amongst the

951
00:44:27,539 --> 00:44:24,160
shirts to wear am I discriminating

952
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:27,549
against the shirts that I don't wear yes

953
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:30,609
I suppose you like if we say he's a

954
00:44:36,359 --> 00:44:33,430
discriminating person it still is a good

955
00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:36,369
thing I think still be positive but I

956
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:38,440
agree that if seven Lucerne so it

957
00:44:45,089 --> 00:44:41,380
discriminates normally a nasty thing to

958
00:44:46,439 --> 00:44:45,099
do so can be used in a positive way or

959
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,449
in a neutral way I mean if you're

960
00:44:50,249 --> 00:44:47,920
discriminating about your choice of

961
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:50,259
shirts you're not really being terribly

962
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:52,089
clever you're just using a little bit of

963
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:54,729
discretion how do you feel about the

964
00:44:58,650 --> 00:44:57,249
American imperialism of our language do

965
00:45:01,170 --> 00:44:58,660
you feel particularly strongly about

966
00:45:03,809 --> 00:45:01,180
that I can't see that it's something to

967
00:45:05,849 --> 00:45:03,819
get terribly worked up about because it

968
00:45:09,059 --> 00:45:05,859
just happens two languages if they're

969
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:09,069
used by a lot of people it goes off in

970
00:45:13,729 --> 00:45:11,529
where directions i mean American is very

971
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:13,739
very slow compared with Scottish English

972
00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:18,630
as displayed by a NL and Scots were high

973
00:45:25,259 --> 00:45:21,430
American spelling was more or less

974
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:25,269
invented by nerve Webster who wrongly

975
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,930
believed that simpler spelling would be

976
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,240
a good idea

977
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:32,520
so they wandered off in that direction I

978
00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:34,970
think most of those things were very

979
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:38,430
sensible example the change of the oh

980
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:41,190
you are endings 20 are in words like

981
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:44,490
rigor that is very sense would logically

982
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:46,650
the better because it goes straight back

983
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:48,780
to the original Latin rather than

984
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:51,060
getting corrupted by transmission from

985
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:52,770
French what do you think of the

986
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:56,400
Australian naming it's almost a style

987
00:46:01,280 --> 00:45:58,770
guide for people working in sport to

988
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:01,290
have their name ending in gets a why or

989
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:06,090
an ia this de veau d co ja no way that's

990
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:09,540
all about this is still in slang usage

991
00:46:14,359 --> 00:46:12,240
or colloquial usage all sorts of words

992
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:14,369
get there on the end of them I mean now

993
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:17,460
we have on I understand I haven't heard

994
00:46:25,070 --> 00:46:20,760
it myself except discussed and a ghetto

995
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:25,080
well the gathering really I'm happy that

996
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:26,970
you haven't heard I've it makes me feel

997
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:29,850
slightly less faculties it doesn't

998
00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:32,310
surprise me or shock me terribly I guess

999
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:34,320
nothing wooden language these days would

1000
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:36,570
it what I was concerned with is

1001
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:39,930
communication if you get your message

1002
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:43,380
over right then basically everything's

1003
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:46,260
all right what you want to guard against

1004
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:49,890
is being misunderstood either because

1005
00:46:57,380 --> 00:46:53,040
you're using words in an unusual way or

1006
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:57,390
your grammar is unusual that saves you

1007
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:00,359
from an awful lot of anguish but to some

1008
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:03,810
people seem to feel that the new way of

1009
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,850
talking represents the end of

1010
00:47:10,609 --> 00:47:08,160
civilization as we know it and they get

1011
00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:10,619
terribly upset and they turn up the

1012
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,190
radio stations to complain I find that

1013
00:47:18,830 --> 00:47:16,800
rather sad because we've got enough with

1014
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:18,840
the worry about without worrying about

1015
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:21,720
state of the language the other hand if

1016
00:47:29,090 --> 00:47:25,350
there is a misunderstanding like in that

1017
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:29,100
case where I said resign and we sign if

1018
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,890
there is a misunderstanding then that is

1019
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:33,960
a critical point and we've got to jump

1020
00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:36,270
on it and we've got to do something to

1021
00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:38,550
make sure that that misunderstanding

1022
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:40,980
doesn't arise do you have any other

1023
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:44,010
favorite languages obviously English

1024
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:46,260
love but do you find you get excited by

1025
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:48,330
the languages like a motive languages

1026
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,570
like Spanish the language i know this is

1027
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:54,000
German so I lived in Germany six months

1028
00:47:59,840 --> 00:47:57,780
I would say that the French have a good

1029
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,850
word for this however Germans have a

1030
00:48:03,860 --> 00:48:01,440
good way of saying this one of the

1031
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,870
things I hear continually is that the

1032
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:06,000
German word is it showed and Freud

1033
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:08,610
chardon choida that we don't have a word

1034
00:48:12,580 --> 00:48:10,110
for that in English but we do it's

1035
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:12,590
called epic Erica see is that correct

1036
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,330
well I've heard of the German words I

1037
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:18,420
haven't heard the English word I said to

1038
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:20,040
talk German if we have to use one word

1039
00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:23,070
for it it's a pleasure at somebody

1040
00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:26,100
else's discomfort epic Erica see is the

1041
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:28,020
Englishman thought we should better luck

1042
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:31,260
the problem with it is that whereas if

1043
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:33,590
you use schadenfreude in German

1044
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:38,040
everybody understands if you use epic

1045
00:48:42,830 --> 00:48:40,140
Erica see or what have you said in

1046
00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:42,840
English new and willems I won't

1047
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:45,180
understand my start time I'm everybody

1048
00:48:51,860 --> 00:48:49,650
listen that's true I know exactly what

1049
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,870
will be understood by everybody the book

1050
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:53,760
is a practical guide for writers and

1051
00:48:57,350 --> 00:48:55,410
editors Nicholas Hudson modern

1052
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:57,360
Australian usage there's lots of good

1053
00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:58,920
examples and there's also some great

1054
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:00,900
copyright advice and some great legal

1055
00:49:04,460 --> 00:49:02,370
advice in there as well as a good

1056
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:04,470
starting point lovely what do you think

1057
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:06,030
should be the one thing when we're

1058
00:49:09,350 --> 00:49:07,650
sitting down to write something that we

1059
00:49:11,090 --> 00:49:09,360
should have in our mind so we don't need

1060
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,100
someone like you and editor going old

1061
00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:13,500
dear dear you have to imagine your

1062
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:16,230
reader and you have to watch his bow and

1063
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:19,590
it becomes followed because he hasn't

1064
00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:21,930
understood what you've written then you

1065
00:49:26,780 --> 00:49:24,150
should look again you should be thinking

1066
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:26,790
of your reader all the time that is of

1067
00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:28,770
course if you're wanting to communicate

1068
00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:31,380
if you're just wanting to hit you over

1069
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,820
the head with wrong words then the

1070
00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:34,880
robber was you use the better

1071
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:37,470
communication I love the book and if

1072
00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:39,450
anyone doesn't like this book I couldn't

1073
00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:42,630
care less i love it good field it's

1074
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:03,900
hey svenska skeptical the vet valid

1075
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:06,190
vatan scope for billing in the Dogman

1076
00:50:11,010 --> 00:50:08,710
hanger of the skeptics that an ox 0 are

1077
00:50:13,770 --> 00:50:11,020
fearful dog pop science quiz of

1078
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:13,780
skeptical Kevin Thomas Valley Queen por

1079
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:16,450
vivir juntos punta safe at spawn I

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involve a luger luke alphania hun

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tamilanda Top Gun warm the door

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installer and defense non-local training

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muffin to start I'm 12 a potom add a new

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hello all skeptics in Sweden I'm sure

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you already know that the Swedish

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skeptics Association not only is a big

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fan of the skeptic zone but that we also

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organize lectures pop science quiz and

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skeptics in the pub all over the country

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go to ww vof se to see what are seven

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local chapters are up to and if you live

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in a place where there is no local

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chapter why not stop on yourself I'm

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you

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zone and I am looking forward in the

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coming weeks to a report or two from Joe

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alabaster who I just saw the other day

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as next weekend here in Sydney we have

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skeptic camp yeah skeptic camp and the

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very next day we're off to mind/body

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wallet mind-body-spirit festival the

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first of all of my own body wallet more

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whoo than you can poke a wood stick at

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lives but with some nice things sort of

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thrown in along the way I always get a

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pick up a nice bottle of hot sauce these

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things could have a boutique hot sauce

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very nice but yes there are plenty of

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our alternative medicine practitioners

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with some very far-fetched claims that

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these are spiritual expose if you're

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coming to the amazing meeting in July in

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Las Vegas drop by the skeptic zone table

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and say hello if I'm not there leave me

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a note twenty dollars will be fine more

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about that coming up and i'll see if i

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can't chase up an interview with james

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randi himself but for this week this is

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Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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Australia you've been listening to the

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